Dr. Christine Schaffner: Hi, everyone! Welcome to the Spectrum of Health Podcast. I’m so excited to have my dear friend and colleague, Dr. Greg Eckel, on today’s show. We’re going to be talking about, “Is brain regeneration possible?” Dr. Greg Eckel has spent the last 20+ years developing and refining his unique approach to chronic neurological conditions. In addition to his experience in clinical practice, using a combination of naturopathic and Chinese medicine, he has a deep, personal connection with chronic neurological disease. Dr. Eckel’s wife, Sarieah, passed of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, a condition with no known cure. As she was the love of his life, he took a deep dive into research and developed a brain regenerative program. In loving memory of his wife, he’s continued to help others with neurodegenerative diseases improve their quality of life and find natural solutions.

0:00:49.9 DS: Dr. Greg Eckel is a highly respected international lecturer, author, and expert in integrative care for neurodegeneration. He’s the co-founder and owner of Nature Cures Clinic in Portland, Oregon, and has been appointed by the Governor of Oregon and served as the Board President of the Oregon Board of Naturopathic Examiners. He’s been a featured expert on ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox television stations. We’re going to be talking all about how brain regeneration is possible. Please check out Dr. Eckel’s summit airing live, the week of June 7th, which is all about the brain and how we can regenerate and repair the brain. There’s a link in the show notes to that as well. I hope you enjoy this podcast with Dr. Greg Eckel.

0:01:32.8 DS: So welcome, Greg. It’s really a joy to see you here today.

0:01:36.6 Dr. Greg Eckel: Thank you, thank you.

0:01:38.2 DS: Alright, well, you and I both are naturopathic physicians, and we both have a very similar perspective of treating the root cause of whatever chronic illness shows up in our office. You have developed this niche and specialty around neurodegeneration. And really, our thought process around neurodegeneration has evolved. I know since you and I were in medical school, we’ve learned so much about what’s possible and how to really open our minds given maybe the limited perspective we’ve had about what is possible for healing the brain. People might think, neurons die, that’s it. Is brain regeneration possible in your view?

0:02:20.0 DE: It totally is. We actually have Superman to thank for this thought, Christopher Reeves. About a decade ago, he was basically dubbed paraplegic. He lost all sense, basically, from a neck injury down, and they told him he’d never walk again. Up to that point, we didn’t really even think that there was neuroplasticity, meaning that nerves could change or regrow. He had the resources and the mindset, and put those forth to prove us wrong in the medical community. Thankfully, we had Superman in our court to show us what was truly possible. He got to walking again, with all kinds of different therapies. He really started the change in neuroscience around, “Wow! We can actually regrow nerves!” Up to that point, it was thought once they’re dead, once you have that neck injury and you can’t move your arms, your limbs, you’re done.

0:03:17.6 DE: Fast-forward 10 to 15 years, I’m not sure on the exact time that he did that, but I’ve been in practice for 21 years, and I will tell you the rear-view mirror is blurring rapidly in the background. It happened back there sometime. So fast-forward to today, and I leave the door open for this. I have seen advanced Parkinson’s patients get their lives back with no evidence of disease. I shared before we got on, a really recent win with patient with advanced Alzheimer’s disease being able to do complex multiplication again within 30 minutes of a procedure. Every year, I speak more and more confidently that our bodies can heal themselves, given the right information. It’s our jobs as providers, as physicians, to remove those obstacles, discover what is the foundation, maybe fill in some nutrients, and then really help the body accelerate in that healing ability. So we always leave the door open. The definitive answer is yes, we can heal the brain. We can get our brain back.

0:04:29.0 DE: And just to piggyback on that, I have said that I want to live to be 150 years old. People look at you, when you say that, a little bit odd. Sometimes, the pin drops of like, “Did he just say that? Like have you seen the elderly out there, I don’t want to live to be that old?” But I don’t want to live in that scenario. I want to live with my brain and with my brawn, my muscles, in community. We are living at an amazing time where there are a lot of technologies, a lot of science coming on board that is accelerating the learning component in helping with more and more therapeutics, many of those we’ll talk about today on the show. I really hope that your listeners and viewers can feel my exuberance because it is so fun to practice this way and to see these changes in real life.

0:05:20.0 DS: I love that, 150. I usually ask patients, “Are you in the 120 year plan or 180?” But 150, I haven’t given them that option, so here we go, I love that. I recently had dear patients in the office and one of them, 75, 76 and in such good health, and I’m like, we are wired, probably, to live so much longer than our collective consciousness really realizes. And again, as we look at this juxtaposition of how the brain can heal and how the body can heal, and then we look at what we’re up against, the society. It’s been a year or two, but I think 1 in 10 people over 65 have some type of cognitive decline or dementia.

0:06:03.8 DS: Cancer rates are increasing amongst the elderly, heart disease, all of these things. Nobody wants to live a long sick life, but if we can really just continue to un-tap our potential, and I also think, “Okay, when you’re 70, you’re supposed to retire and relax.” Well, of course, we want that in life. But it’s like you’ve just had all this amazing experience, whatever your profession is, that’s the time where you should be sharing your wisdom and your knowledge and feeling good. You’re going to be teaching young doctors when you’re 150, right?

0:06:36.8 DE: Yes, and in exotic locations around the planet, right? Actually, that concept, Stanford Longevity Center, their director, her name is going to escape me right now, but she said, “We need to actually rethink what life pattern got programmed into us.” Actually some friends of mine too, Gary Gunderson, says “Create the life that you want to live, not that you want to retire from.” So, it is a whole mindset shift of why not create the day-to-day where you have more energy, you have more joy, you have more love, you have more fun, for crying out loud. Do you put those in your goals every day? I do. And guess what? When you actually focus your chi and energy on those things, that’s what you get. It’s a way of living, and so why not write it that way? The old story is broken. We’re seeing it come unraveled, and it’s not pretty. It’s not going easily or quietly into that dark night. It’s grabbing for control, and I think I’m encouraged in that as there’s an acceleration. It’s ugly. It’s not pretty, but it is happening, and so just allowing that to happen, but then writing, what is the more beautiful future our hearts know and desire? That’s the discussion on this, having the brain heal and repair itself and recover. These things are not talked about. In fact, discouraged from talking about, and I’m here to say we’re seeing it clinically.

0:08:12.2 DS: I love this, I love this. Yes, opening up our minds to what’s possible and then allowing life to unfold, to fill in the tools, the therapies, the treatments, but coming from that framework and that mindset, that intention, that healing, no matter what it is, it’s possible. I love this. As you have developed your understanding of neurodegeneration and the chronic illnesses you see, you developed a framework that you call FAN-C. I interviewed you on the podcast a couple of years ago when the book came out. We introduced the concept, but many people might not have listened to that podcast yet, so I would love for you to share this approach and how you came to this framework.

0:09:00.2 DE: For sure. So, the framework came out of my own need. I really got catapulted into neuro-degeneration and brain health with my wife, Sarieah. She passed three years ago, and she had a rare condition called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, CJD, which is prionic activity, which is also not pretty. It is a rapidly progressing dementia. She went from one March, we took a family trip, everything was great, to April rapid decline, to May not able to communicate anymore, and it was nothing like I had ever seen at that point in 17 years of my medical profession.

0:09:42.6 DE: I exhausted all of the resources that I had in my world and alternative medicine, I went into Western medicine, and I like to say my moniker is where East meets West naturally. It’s like complete care to access all of the systems, but I already knew the system was fractionated. They basically make my practice here in Portland, Oregon, in that people don’t get adequate care. There’s not enough time, the system is broke. But to then actually experience it first hand with your loved one’s life on the line, it just really ripped me open as a human, as a practitioner, provider, loving husband, father of my children. I just thought there has got to be another way of helping people. So, it came out of my own need. Neurology hasn’t really advanced in 350 years of some of these diagnoses. Like Parkinson’s, there have not really been any new advances there. It’s kind of similar dopamine, dopaminergic receptors. Now we have a deep brain stimulation that you can do. That’s about it. I just thought, we can do better. So, I swung for the fence.

0:10:47.1 DE: What I came up with did not help Sarieah, but it is helping thousands of patients right now, and I’m hoping to even make a bigger impact with doing podcasts like this and educating people, writing more books, etcetera. It came out, this FAN-C approach. F is for functional. It’s a different way of addressing health, and it’s not on disease processes. It’s actually a very radical difference. It’s naturopathic. We treat people, not diseases, and so you might be seeing functional medicine practitioners, but they’ve come up with the system of, we’re treating pathology and disease processes, and it’s hard to take those lenses off, versus a component of treating heart-centered beings moving through time and space that have the ability to heal themselves given the right information. That ‘functional’ is a small, maybe semantics, but a radically different starting spot.

0:11:46.0 DE: Then we move into A as assessment. All too often with neuro-degeneration, you go see the neurologist, and then you get put on some medications mainly for symptom management, and then you get monitored on your decline. And it’s agreed upon, you will either slowly or quickly decline, but you’re going to decline because we have not found any remedy or cure for this condition. That really is what motivated me coming out of that with Sarieah, on multiple levels and on multiple fronts, and I think we talked quite a bit about that journey in our last time.

0:12:23.9 DE: And so for now, for this show, I really want to focus in on the hope aspect and really, where I see us going as a species, collectively. I agree, we have not been taught how powerful we are, we haven’t even fully actualized ourselves as of yet on the planet because of these limiting beliefs. If you don’t think you can do it, you’re not going to do it. You get the Roger Bannister analogy of the four-minute mile. Before he ran a four-minute mile, nobody had ever run a four-minute mile. He did it, and then guess what happened in the next year? It was like 26 more people, all of a sudden, can do it. Why? Because our minds are that powerful. It’s like, “Oh, it is doable, look at that.” And then everybody started doing it because they freed their minds. So it’s not a piece of providing false hope.

0:13:16.4 DE: In the assessment, we definitely need to turn over some stones looking at the microbiome, there’s tons of data coming out. I know you educate your listeners and viewers on that tremendously. The gut is the second brain. We manufacture all of our neurotransmitters there, or many of them. So we look at that. We look at the metal burden and levels of toxicity in the body. We know, and for misfolded proteins, which is prionic activity, all that is alpha-synuclein in Parkinson’s, beta-amyloid plaque in Alzheimer’s. They’re also implicated in anxiety states now. So there is some prionic activity in anxiety states as well. The assessment, people aren’t getting a complete workup. That’s why there’s no hope, there’s been no movement because people are just stuck in, “It’s your brain, go see the neurologist, and get the medication.” The meds aren’t there to correct any imbalances.

0:14:11.5 DE: So we look at the basic three that I call the three-legged stool. At the minimum, it’s hormone testing, it’s metals testing, and it’s microbiome testing. Now, there’s a lot of nuances in there with maybe some biomimicry of viruses, Lyme, co-infections, mold toxicity, autoimmune conditions. All of these things can circle around and create neuro degeneration. So we look at all of that. That is in the assessment. Then the N in the FAN-C is nerve health. There’s a slew of neotropics from just B vitamins to essential fatty acids, and we’re going to unpack all of these in our discussion today. The endocannabinoid system is one of my favorites to talk about. Again, didn’t learn about that in medical school. Discovered after I graduated, not that I’m that old, but maybe I am.

0:15:07.0 DS: You’re reverse-aging.

0:15:08.0 DE: Indeed, I am, I am. We’ve got all of the nerve nutrients. Then I have a dash C, and C is for cellular regeneration. This is the most exciting component of the biggest lever that I’ve put in on programs for my patients, and it’s really regenerative medicine. It’s helping the body heal itself by getting some really amazing information into it. So that’s my FAN-C approach.

0:15:33.7 DE: I like the framework because it helps. You know, I just did a consult today, a woman with Parkinson’s, getting worse, and she said, “I don’t know what to do.” You get online, and there’s so many things and so much chatter, and everybody says, “Do this, do that,” and what I’ve have found is it’s not just one thing. It’s not the missing magic bullet, the purple pill. It’s more of a lifestyle, all-encompassing program, being with the right providers that can hold the space for you. Things can get really dark, especially as your brain is degrading. Loss of sense of smell, constipation, these early symptoms of Parkinson’s, and some other neuronal cell death, they’re very ubiquitous, we can blow those off. But then once you start developing some of the symptoms of multiple sclerosis or ALS or Parkinson’s, it’s much harder. That tip of the iceberg is getting bigger, that’s out of the water, so you see it more. That means there’s been more neuronal cell death, and that’s a bigger campaign, to get somebody back from that.

0:16:43.7 DE: Now, the good news is, we’ve seen people come back from very advanced stages of disease. So that process, though, I find it to be very valuable to help orient people and their thinking on, “Okay, wait. No, there’s a program here.” It’s not a therapeutic-derived or driven remedy because it’s so multi-factorial, as we’re dynamic heart centered beings. And one of those components of naturopathic medicine that taught me so well is deep listening and really being there. The patients, they tell us exactly what the path should be. Then it’s really getting it back to them in a way that they can hear it.

0:17:23.3 DS: That’s so true, so many great points. I think this framework is really, really useful, as there’s so much noise out there. All this information is wonderful, but it can be really paralyzing for people, especially when they have complex chronic illness or they’re in a state of neurodegeneration. We really have to bring them out of that paradigm of one target, one therapy, done. That’s your treatment. I think you’ve done a wonderful job sharing that and giving people a lot to think about when they’re going to approach their healthcare. A big part of our conversation today, we wanted to talk about all of the exciting new modalities that really bridge this intention and this understanding and knowledge that anything is possible, the body is unlimited, all healing can happen. But that also is attracting the right treatments and modalities at the right time to heal. You’ve been exploring this really new, exciting way to do regenerative medicine using VSELs and light. Can you just share, what are we talking about right now?

0:18:30.7 DE: Totally, totally. So let me start with a story on these VSELs. I think when you went to medical school, we did not know what VSELs were. So VSEL, it’s a very small embryonic-like stem cell. These are cells that all of us were formed from in our mother’s belly, in the uterus. The VSELs, the very small embryonic-like stem cells, made us. Then they go dormant when we’re born, and occasionally, they get activated when there’s a heart attack or heart damage. They’ll get activated, they’ll help repair the heart, and then they go back into dormancy. They were discovered in 2005 by Dr. Ratajczak at University of Kentucky, and there is exponential research happening on these right now. Of course, in our arrogance, we thought, “Oh, those are dead cells. They’re waste products.” There are no waste products in the body. We come in miraculously. We understand a lot about how the body functions, but the cell just got discovered in 2005. The endocannabinoid system, the whole system, more receptors in our brains than all of the other neurotransmitters put together, that was just discovered in the last 20 years. How does that happen? How do we think we know it all? There’s no way.

0:19:56.2 DE: I’m so excited to share this patient story. Patient of mine, retired pharmacist that has advanced Alzheimer’s. And what we’re seeing over this last year, the pandemic, is a lot of neurodegeneration is accelerating with our social isolation. It is not good for us as a species to be isolated. We are heart-centered light beings, and we like to be together. We’re a very social organism here. So he really got worse over the last two years to the point where he hasn’t done math for a year-and-a-half. A brilliant man, brilliant man, and really getting into the depths of Alzheimer’s. We did the VSEL treatment. So, what is that? These VSELs are dormant until you turn them on. Well, it’s discovered you can turn them on with a laser that breaks a salt bond that frees up the VSEL, that activates it. So you basically get these really young cells that were part of you as a baby that just went dormant. You get their telomere length which is longer than the rest of our cells. They haven’t aged one day since you were born. Then you turn them on, so you get this very potent healing. Very small embryonic-like means they can turn into any tissue of your body.

0:21:14.0 DE: So we activate it, it’s laser-activated and laser-guided. Then we take this laser and we guide it to the brain or the body to what tissue we want to heal, and it creates a sticky adhesion factor, they discovered in the lab. They had an aqueous solution, they put a red light laser in, and they were doing some stem cell research. They turned off the experiment, went home for the night, came back the next day, and they discovered where they had the beam of light in the aqueous solution, the stem cells that were in the aqueous solution all clumped together, visually, you could see them.

0:21:55.5 DE: Now, when you think about that for a moment, this is fluid dynamics. They’re not supposed to be able to do that. They’re supposed to be floating in this aqueous solution. They were in at the level that the beam of light was. So in that coherent beam of light, there was something, some resonance left in the water, in the aqueous solution, from the light that attracted the stem cells to it. So we’ve extrapolated that into the body. I can target the substantia nigra for Parkinson’s, for Alzheimer’s. We treat the whole brain with the laser in triangulation, and where the nodes overlap are these high-potency nodes, more cells come into that region.

0:22:40.6 DE: So back to the patient yesterday, within 30 minutes… Oh, I forgot to mention. In addition to the Alzheimer’s, shoulder pain, told he needed a shoulder replacement because there was nothing that we could do for him. I read his imaging, I said, “You know, I think we can help that. Let’s see.” Surgery is scheduled for November, he is not going to need the surgery. Eight out of 10 pain before we started. Within 30 minutes, he’s moving his shoulder and I’m going, “What are you doing?” He said, “I don’t have any pain here.” I said, “Okay.” So I grilled him, he said, “Okay, it’s one out of 10 pain,” but he had full mobility of his shoulder. He was getting into adhesive capsulitis and totally stuck, weakness, couldn’t move without pain. Awesome and amazing. Even more awesome, when they left, he was doing complex math in his head and sharing those results. He’s doing multiplication. He hasn’t been able to do any math for a year-and-a-half. Within 30 minutes, it was like, “Wow, this is miraculous!” I’ve not seeing anything work, especially in neurodegeneration, that quickly. I’m like, Whoo, eureka! We are on to something here. So fun!

0:23:54.5 DS: That’s incredible. For people who are thinking out there, “Oh, my gosh!” So we basically have these dormant reservoir of VSELs that we just haven’t had a framework or understanding how to tap into them in order to heal and regenerate the body. It seems like with using laser and light, we can wake these cells up, and then guide them to the areas of injury to heal and repair the body, and what it knows how to do. This is fascinating because I know we both love light therapy and then this whole knowledge base of how we are light beings. And so a couple of just really basic questions. People are probably listening like, “Okay, what kind of light? What kind of laser? Can anyone do this?” So just some of those logistics.

0:24:47.6 DE: Great question. This whole process has a patent on it, on the whole component. Dr. Todd Ovokaitys is the originator of this. He created a very specific laser. He’s got a filter on, it’s a 684 nanometer light, but it’s not just the light. You can’t just take any red laser and activate them that I know of. We’ve got a filter on that, and it’s creating a coherence, a wave length that is able to break this salt bond in the lab. How do we know it’s doing that? Basically, we’re in part of a protocol development at this moment in time, where we’re actually publishing data that has both biology and the new physics all in one title. It’s this bridging of all of the science coming together, which is so fascinating. You see some breakdown products of the salt bond in the solution, so we know that is what is happening, that’s what this light is doing to mobilize the VSELs, to basically turn them on. It’s really in the laser. I guess the secret sauce is in that laser.

0:26:07.5 DE: It is 684 nanometer red light with a filter, that filter is the special sauce that they’ve discovered in the lab. There’s a specific timeframe of getting the maximum VSEL activity as well. So it’s not more is better. They’ve developed that. They’ve actually published that data. I’ll get that paper up to you, if you can link it in the show notes if you’d like, because it’s really super fascinating stuff, and when I learned about it was around that paper publishing. Then utilizing it into the body, and guiding them with that same laser with the filtration on it. It’s a coherent wave length, they’ve measured the wave length of it. It can go up to 500 meters. Because typically, if you just put red light laser on the skin, it disperses topically, and with infrared, you can get about three to five centimeters into the tissue, but with the light therapy, it’s much harder to penetrate the body and have it, and so when we’re talking going through brain material, the wave length covers the whole, the distance of it.

0:27:17.2 DS: Thank you. His brilliance was how to manipulate red light and change its wavelength, and essentially what that translates into as far as frequency so that it can penetrate deeper, to go deep inside the body to break the bonds and wake up these VSELs. And you know, the naturopath in me is like, “Well, how do we do that?” I’m so glad that Dr. Todd in his brilliance in dealing with the patent and what we can do therapeutically. It goes back into that idea of like, we have so much untapped capacity that we don’t even realize. We have this whole stem cell factory in our body that we didn’t know we had that can repair late stage Alzheimer’s and repair shoulders, and it’s super exciting. So, walk us through how he has trained you. I know this is relatively new, but you’re obviously been using this in practice and are really familiar with this patient population. Are you feeling like, okay, once this is unleashed, it’s kind of like the body does the rest? Or do you feel like because of modern stress and how long people have been sick, this takes multiple treatments and lots of work? What’s an expectation?

0:28:32.0 DE: It’s a great question. What we’re seeing, if you only did that, it is a regenerative component. There’s some studies on heart patients where they had a 10% ejection fracture, meaning they needed a heart transplant, and he treated 10 patients. The Western approach of that condition would be that 8% would be a great response on a treatment for chronic ejection fracture issues, and basically cardiovascular disease. The minimum that he got out of these 10 patients was a 15% increase in ejection fracture up to 110% ejection fracture improvement. So it basically healed the heart. These were smokers and drinkers, they did no lifestyle changes, whatsoever. Now, I think they’re continuing to treat on an annual basis to improve, but it didn’t wear off.

0:29:25.8 DE: In other populations, what we’re seeing, if it was just the only thing you did, basically, you’ve got an incline, and here symptoms are happening, and then once you cross a threshold, you don’t have symptoms, but you’re still on the continuum. So if you do nothing else, you’re going to slide back into symptomville, meaning it’s not permanent…We haven’t seen that to be a permanent change. Now, that’s not the only thing. That’s why I said this FAN-C approach with a full programmatic container for people is really necessary because then you’re really going for systemic change, as if you’re getting a new conductor in on your innate intelligence to play a better tune instead of the dysfunctional one. It’s relatively new for me, but that is what we’ve seen with patients over the last three years with our use of this. Now others with pain, like the shoulder, etcetera, those are actually permanent changes that don’t come back.

0:30:25.4 DS: That’s incredible. Well, this is super exciting, and I know that you are going to only learn more and see more patients and hopefully train other doctors in how to integrate this, because we’ve all been wanting this tool. Tools come and go for all sorts of different reasons in our medical tool kit, this seems like, light is so accessible. It’s a sophisticated laser, but it just feels very accessible and hopefully can be more widespread and more access will be available soon. It’s super exciting. I appreciate you sharing this with our audience. And we’ll, of course, share when we learn more about all of this. I wanted to also highlight something I’m excited about too. A product that you developed, that you’re using with patients, called Clear Mind. It’s a nasal spray that combines primarily DMSO and hypochlorous. Can you share your thought process around this formulation and what you intend it for?

0:31:25.6 DE: Yes. This one really came out of my need with Sarieah because the ominous differential diagnosis when you get into really advanced, rapidly progressing dementia, is autoimmune encephalitis or CJD, which is the prionic activity. I basically started developing programs and protocols as if both of those were going concurrently because with CJD you don’t know, until your loved one dies and they do a brain biopsy, whether they have CJD or not, because they look for the prionic activity. So, got in on the research and realized there’s a ton of data on these products, DMSO and HOCL. Both inactivate prionic activity, they clear prions from the tissue. I got the idea, “Hey, we’ve got to get this into the brain. How are we going to get it there? Let’s put it in a nasal spray.” DMSO is an amazing chaperone molecule, so we also put some of that and a special blend of anti-inflammatories in there, as well. That’s got a patent pending on it. But was my thought was, “We need to get some substances in.”

0:32:38.6 DE: I call it Clear Mind because it also works really well for brain fog. So, folks with brain fog, for focus, for clarity, it will help all of those things. We have it in the neuro-degeneration realm. I know it’s working in neurodegeneration because I have a cadre of patients with Parkinson’s, and with that condition their voices sometimes can get very weak and soft and start to get gravelly even, and that is cranial nerve 10, the vagus nerve innervates the vocal chords and it’s a part of the progression of the pathology for them. And this spray, I love third party testimony, patients started coming back after use and saying, “Hey, my staff, they could hear my voice a lot better since I started using the nasal spray,” or, “I notice, when I get it just right, I notice my voice changes.” I really like the third party validation, like, “Hey, something’s different with you. What are you doing, because I can understand your words much better, you’re much clearer, you boom your voice much more.” I do know, we are getting a central nervous system effect because their voice is changing, so that’s super encouraging, but we also have all kinds of responses around brain fog, which is a ubiquitous kind of mitochondrial sign and symptom that I really like the Clear Mind for.

0:34:05.5 DS: Love that. Awesome, I’m super excited. It’s a new product to me, but I’m really excited to use it. I’ve had experience with both of those products separately, so now in combination. As you said, it’s getting the right medicine in the right body part at the right time. Accessing the brain can be a challenge, but I’m glad to hear your thought process with the DMSO and obviously inter-nasal application, we know the sinus can be source of infection and inflammation that can create neuro inflammation and neuro degenerations. So, it’s a great place to also give a treatment. Between FAN-C, VSELs, and your Clear Mind, you must be having a lot of fun in practice right now?

0:34:51.1 DE: We are. We are. A tremendous amount of energy happening. We’re really getting the word out and having people fly in, actually from around the globe. It is so rewarding and fun. I’m always humbled and honored that people are willing to get on a plane and get here for this treatment, because it is really unique, and we’re really stacking all of those therapies together so that, holding that vessel. A lot of times people get into the western model of, “Well, I want to just try one thing.” It’s like, you have this 800 pound gorilla over here called brain degeneration, and it just didn’t happen overnight. We need to go full-court press to get your teeter totter balanced. I just find it so rewarding, always encouraged by the results. They tell you when you go to medical school, “Don’t get attached to results,” but it’s like, wow, no wonder the rate of suicide for physicians is so high because they’re taught, well, don’t get used to results–you’re basically are running ragged. I really am grateful that I’ve had the clinic, Nature Cures, in Portland, Oregon, over 21 years and we’re growing. We’ve got awesome heart-centered providers that are here to help support with the work and we’re really on a mission. So, that’s so fun.

0:36:11.5 DS: I also wanted to share with everyone, you’ve put together an awesome brain degeneration summit. Can you just share a little bit about what you’re most passionate about with the summit and when it airs and when people can listen to it live?

0:36:25.1 DE: Certainly, we are doing a relaunch with new information on this. It’s June 7th through the 14th, 2021, and I am super excited about it. I’ve got a bunch of info on sound and frequency and light healing in there. In fact, the originator of the laser and the VSEL, Dr. Todd, I’ve got an hour long conversation with some amazing videos of the experience with a Parkinson’s patient, a really debilitated advanced stage and it’s a miraculous story. I don’t want to spoil it, so you’ve got to tune in to watch that. I have Dr. Chaudhry on there sharing her mantras and sound healing, I have Jeralyn Glass, who did this amazing sound bowl healing. If you’ve never experienced that for yourselves, it is such a high resonance vibration that she put out in a really great meditation that I was like, “Wow, you just… You provided that for me, and I can’t wait to share this with folks around the globe.” That is worth the price of admission, which is, it’s a free summit. So, those are some just right off the top, I also incorporated in a lot of information around EMFs.

0:37:44.6 DE: I will tell you, I know they’re real and you know that your audience knows that for sure, a lot of folks have their heads in the sand around this issue and it’s just mounting and growing. There’s some really practical things though, we broke it down and made some really practical steps so people don’t get overwhelmed with that. I’m really excited to share that with folks. I’ve got components on parasites and the changing of the immune system and how that influences brain health, so we’ve got a lot of great info, we launched this the first time at the beginning of the pandemic, we didn’t have as much of a turn out because of the confusion and distraction, and for good reason. I added content this year, so it’s new, and you’re in the summit as well. I wanted to make sure we got it out to as many people as we could, so we made it new, we kept the good content that we started with, and we added to it. I’m really excited to share that with folks around the world.

0:38:54.9 DS: Awesome. Our audience will love that. I love Dr. Chaudhary’s work, and I also love sound baths, it’s one of my favorite experiences to do. I’m so glad that you can experience that virtually now, and I’ll be listening to Dr. Todd, and a couple of the other ones too, you just piqued my interest. So again, we’ll have the link for the summit in the show notes as well, and thank you for putting on such a great event and sharing this knowledge with everyone.

0:39:23.2 DE: Thank you.

0:39:25.1 DS: Well, it will be so exciting to see where you continue to grow and help to transform not only your work, but the lives of the people that you’re helping…We’re ready. I agree, and I feel like with the work that I do there, we see so many great results, but healing can be hard and it can take time, and it’s fun to see some of these newer technologies and modalities really accelerate and show us what we know to be true. We might not have had the modality to really match the severity of the chronic illness that we see today. I’m super excited and inspired, and I want people to, of course, know more about where to find you if they’re interested also in learning from you or coming to your clinic, or want to learn more about Clear Mind. How can people find out more about you?

0:40:14.0 DE: My website is a great starting spot. Naturecuresclinic.com. You can Google my name or search my name as well. We’re in a revamping of it, we’ll have a store up there for the Clear Mind within a month or two, offering it wholesale to providers and practitioners, and we really want to get it out into many people’s hands because it is amazing for neuroinflammation. We’re helping to clear people’s minds with that.

0:40:55.4 DS: It’s going to be a brave new world, so I appreciate all that you’re doing to clear our minds and open our hearts. And again, thank you so much for being here and spending another segment on the podcast. If people want they can look in the podcast library and find Dr. Greg from probably two years ago at this point. So check that one out as well. Again, thank you so much, Greg, for being here today.

0:41:18.1 DE: I super appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.

0:41:22.1 DS: Thank you everyone for listening to the Spectrum of Health podcast. I hope you enjoyed my conversation today with Dr. Eckel. Again, please check out his clinic, and if you want to learn more about VSELs, please check out his website, as well as his upcoming brain degeneration summit, you can find the link to the summit in the show notes. I hope you all have a beautiful day.